Smashing Security podcast #188: Dinner with Elon Musk and Kris Jenner

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Smashing Security podcast #188: Dinner with Elon Musk and Kris Jenner

Who stopped Twitter’s hackers from stealing more money? Why are Covid-19 researchers being told to ramp up their cybersecurity? How can you find out if your smartphone is infected with stalkerware? And who does Graham think he is turning down a celebrity dinner invite?

All this and much more is discussed in the latest edition of the award-winning “Smashing Security” podcast by cybersecurity veterans Graham Cluley and Carole Theriault, joined this week by Lisa Forte.

Smashing Security #188: 'Dinner with Elon Musk and Kris Jenner'

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Graham Cluley – @gcluley
Carole Theriault – @caroletheriault


Lisa Forte – @LisaForteUK

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Graham Cluley is an award-winning keynote speaker who has given presentations around the world about cybersecurity, hackers, and online privacy. A veteran of the computer security industry since the early 1990s, he wrote the first ever version of Dr Solomon's Anti-Virus Toolkit for Windows, makes regular media appearances, and is the co-host of the popular "Smashing Security" podcast. Follow him on Twitter, Mastodon, Threads, Bluesky, or drop him an email.

One comment on “Smashing Security podcast #188: Dinner with Elon Musk and Kris Jenner”

  1. Spryte

    Two items:
    1) Regarding 'Bossware', my experience when I was working it was for a firm with a very hierarchical management system. Although the technology was there for me work from home my manger rarely permitted it.
    It turned out that to keep his job as manager he had to have x number of employees in the office under his supervision… His boss had to have y number of managers with their x number of working units… And so it goes depending on the number of levels in the hierarchy.

    2) Regarding banning of 'Stalkerware', I believe the U.N. has published a document (perhaps a draft) regarding 'surveillance and human rights' and specifically something they call "Targeted Surveillance". (Available at:
    Admittedly not targeted at you and me but more towards nation states, huge corporations and the companies that provide surveillance equipment and software for the, it is an interesting read and the start of a conversation I believe we must have, as we, the individuals, are the targets.

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